I needed a pair of pants/trousers that aren't vibrant, so I went with the Norris in black. The cotton is a good thickness -- not so thick that they're hard to wear when it's a bit warmer, but not too thin, either -- though they're 100% lint/fur magnets, so pet owners beware! I say they're the standard L&Y fit because like all fully elasticated waist pants at Lucy & Yak, I size down 1-2 sizes for them to an L. They also have the Lucy & Yak issue of being comically long in the inseam, so I never quite get the same silhouette that the models do because I need to roll them up several times, which looks a bit silly on such wide leg pants. I'd prefer offering different, concrete inseams instead of separate petite sizing, but until then, I'll either keep rolling the cuffs of my pants, or I'll eventually hem them. I'm still very happy with these!